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By Alex
#17360
Seems very harsh, they've also made it so they cant hold tests in the future either. For a ground with very limited revenue streams to further restrict them might just do more damage than good!

We're lucky that due to the location of the ground that Lancashire have multiple revenue streams with the hotel, The Point and concerts that we hold so we're able to service our larger debt.

Wonder which county will be next?
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By chris
#17361
[quote="Alex"]

Wonder which county will be next?
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Would they relegate Glamorgan or Northamptonshire, for the sake of argument?

Yorkshire will be safe didn't Graves underwrite their debt?

Or did you mean why county would be next to be encouraged by the ECB to buld up thestatus of their ground?

Thankfully, they have stopped the lunacy of bidding for international matches.

Presumably Durham have accepted this as they knew they had no chance of replacing Stoneman and Borthwick and so would not be competitive in Division 1.
By runinthesun
#17362
Seems exceptionally harsh, with penalties this season and next. What sanctions would be taken for a county already in the second division? Poor Durham.
By Iron Mike
#17364
Feel sorry for Durham, who have done everything the ECB have asked them to do. Including supplying players to national team...from Simon Brown to Mark Wood and many in between.

A group of us Glam fans went last summer for the Test. Very nice ground in an open, green setting and much bigger than my last visit in 2000 when I also visited their old ground at Ropery Lane.  The old market town seems to have grown with the rise of their first class county club...a proper source of civic pride.  It's a shame that Test scheduling for them hasn't been kind and the bidding lunacy, which has bitten Glam and Yorkshire hard too, has been a by-product of the game being supposedly awash with tv money following the 2005 Ashes.

Can see all sides of this but effectively 100 point deduction: 46 in cc now, -48 in cc next summer  and -6 in white ball - is punitive..especially when you consider one-dayers bring the most money to county clubs.  Not as if Durham have had bad pitches or have bent the rules to maximise their chances of winning by cutting a new strip with an hour or two to start of play or laying sand on it.  To be fair Kent should have been given d1 status but I suspect Hampshire will be relieved not to travel to Chester le Street next summer. 

If the EWCB are going to really help Durham then perhaps they won't visit Kent, Sussex or Glos next summer for travelling purposes in the cc and play Glam at Colwyn Bay...we'll see.  Would the EWCB do the same to Glam and Northants?  Perhaps - just in d1 possibly as you can get relegated. 

This much surely now set a precedence. Other counties owe far more hence the EWCB must surely now be seen to treat the others, such as Yorkshire, Warwickshire et al the same for "financial fair play" as well as pitch-related points deductions to make the integrity beyond reproach.  Much more of this and we'll be back to one division cricket...a different argument but perhaps not a bad thing!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cric ... 33511.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/thestands/c ... 57940.html
Last edited by Iron Mike on Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
By Thameseyray
#17371
Firstly I am sorry to hear about Durham's plant! We are talking cricket here and not football which has a 10 points deduction.
This decision could potentially create massive problems for the other counties as fear will now arise of financial failure and create clubs falling out. In addition with the advent of the changes to T20 this is going to damage the cash flow stream of the counties.
I can't but think have the ECB (which should be EWCB) been fair in allocating a fairer proportion of the TV money to the counties so as to avoid these problems.
I guess if this had happened to a Div 2 county it would have been a 100 points deduction for next season!
Anyway Durham hope Glamorgan can play you away but not the last week of April! Fancy a trip there!
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By chris
#17373
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I guess if this had happened to a Div 2 county it would have been a 100 points deduction for next season!

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more likley that any such county would face -48 points for more than one season.  The idea, assuming that there is logic behind it, is to try and make sure they get promoted back straight away.  If Durham had been relegated on the playing field they would probably be facing -48 in 2017 & 2018.

Still as long as Strauss, Harrison and Graves are happy.  Yorkshire's debt reported at 3 x that of Durham, but they have a personal supporter effectively underwriting the debt.  Rather than sending a message of financial prudence the ECB seem happy to have financial inequality as long as it is underwritten by personal / family wealth.  But according to the Independent:
"It is understood that the club [Durham] were advised by the ECB to turn down bids from private investors and to accept the ECB’s financial bail-out instead"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cric ... 43276.html

So perhaps the ECB only interested in bullying the counties into accepting their complete authority on all and any matter.
By davee
#17381
Salary caps apart no playing sanctions should be imposed on clubs, would this have happened if the situation was reversed, Hants in financial trouble and Durham in the  relegation spot?
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By chris
#17382
[quote="davee"]
Salary caps apart no playing sanctions should be imposed on clubs, would this have happened if the situation was reversed, Hants in financial trouble and Durham in the  relegation spot?
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what if Durham had built the ECB's stadium in the centre of the City of Newcastle?
By Iron Mike
#17389
Just read the Indy article. Wow...to think that's what saved Hampshire from going under when they moved...the EWCB were quiet when Hampshire became a private club from a members club. The result being the move from Northlands Road to the Rose Bowl and solvency. Bransgrove got his way and to be fair has done a lot for them. He would even walk round the ground welcoming supporters to the Rose Bowl...a place to be truly proud of.  I lived down there when Hampshire moved and the dynamic of the club slowly shifted as they were the epitome of the new wave of professionalism and commercialism in the game...with a lovely ground if out of town as a great example to what you can do with ambition. Then they got Pietersen and Glam had their test match...against the local script!
It suggests the EWCB dont want counties to be taken over by local business consortia... is that a veiled warning not to be in hock to one guy or is the EWCB truly looking out for one of its elite 18 cubs?
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By Thameseyray
#17390
Mind you when you see the football effect of owner clubs and look at Cardiff FC you can't blame the EWCB not wanting it!
Be interesting what they do with the City Franchises though in terms of ownership!
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By chris
#17392
[quote="Iron Mike"]
Just read the Indy article. Wow...to think that's what saved Hampshire from going under when they moved...the EWCB were quiet when Hampshire became a private club from a members club. The result being the move from Northlands Road to the Rose Bowl and solvency. Bransgrove got his way and to be fair has done a lot for them. He would even walk round the ground welcoming supporters to the Rose Bowl...a place to be truly proud of.  I lived down there when Hampshire moved and the dynamic of the club slowly shifted as they were the epitome of the new wave of professionalism and commercialism in the game...with a lovely ground if out of town as a great example to what you can do with ambition. Then they got Pietersen and Glam had their test match...against the local script!
It suggests the EWCB dont want counties to be taken over by local business consortia... is that a veiled warning not to be in hock to one guy or is the EWCB truly looking out for one of its elite 18 cubs?
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Each to their own, but I found the Rose Bowl a soulless and empty place to watch concrete sorry cricket.

The ECB's action is hardly a veiled warnign not to be in hock to one person - without Graves Yorkshire would be history, and he Harrison and Strauss must be aware of that.

Dobell's article also interesting:

"Does it punish the officials at Durham who, years ago, embarked on a course that always threatened to end this way? Hardly. Some are dead, some have moved on or retired and one of them (Gordon Hollins, once commercial director at Durham) is now chief operating officer of the professional game at the ECB."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cric ... 60344.html

Wonder what Wisden will make of it?
Wonder if the ECB will change the division one table on their new website? At least a footnote if not a points deduction.
Wonder how much Stokes and Wood will be lent to Durham last year.  Those two plus Rushworth & Onions will see off most Division Two side.
Wonder who they will play once?  Derbyshire, Notts or Sussex and Kent
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By mav
#17395
Shocking decision, extremely harsh too.

they have set the county back for what 3 or 4 years?

If this had been Northants we would have been left to die I suspect.
By LankyShark
#17398

So perhaps the ECB only interested in bullying the counties into accepting their complete authority on all and any matter.
Perhaps?
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