Any news or views on International Cricket
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By Alex
#22148
After the footage emerging of the fight, would you take him to Australia?
By hujon64
#22173
It's very easy to judge based on initial facts. However, if, as it seems, he was sticking up for gays being victimised and threatened by a larger group (with bottles), then I admire his pluckiness in intervening, without thought for his own personal safety or standing in an international team.

However, I do find it 'odd' that a few days before another important match, half the team were at a 'downmarket' Club and the incident occurred at approx 2.30 pm. Unfortunately, well-known names become targets and it's very unwise to put yourself in a vulnerable position.

Under normal circumstances, this would be one of a large number of such incidents happening all over the country with no action taken by police and no reporting.

With the benefit of more information I now say, YES, he should go. It's all too easy to pass by on the other side, he didn't!
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By Vetchetarian
#22179
hujon64 wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:12 pm
It's very easy to judge based on initial facts. However, if, as it seems, he was sticking up for gays being victimised and threatened by a larger group (with bottles), then I admire his pluckiness in intervening, without thought for his own personal safety or standing in an international team.

However, I do find it 'odd' that a few days before another important match, half the team were at a 'downmarket' Club and the incident occurred at approx 2.30 pm. Unfortunately, well-known names become targets and it's very unwise to put yourself in a vulnerable position.

Under normal circumstances, this would be one of a large number of such incidents happening all over the country with no action taken by police and no reporting.

With the benefit of more information I now say, YES, he should go. It's all too easy to pass by on the other side, he didn't!
" he was sticking up for gays being victimised and threatened by a larger group "

First I've heard of this. Source ?
By notgoingoutreprise
#22184
Vetchetarian wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:26 pm
hujon64 wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:12 pm
It's very easy to judge based on initial facts. However, if, as it seems, he was sticking up for gays being victimised and threatened by a larger group (with bottles), then I admire his pluckiness in intervening, without thought for his own personal safety or standing in an international team.

However, I do find it 'odd' that a few days before another important match, half the team were at a 'downmarket' Club and the incident occurred at approx 2.30 pm. Unfortunately, well-known names become targets and it's very unwise to put yourself in a vulnerable position.

Under normal circumstances, this would be one of a large number of such incidents happening all over the country with no action taken by police and no reporting.

With the benefit of more information I now say, YES, he should go. It's all too easy to pass by on the other side, he didn't!
" he was sticking up for gays being victimised and threatened by a larger group "

First I've heard of this. Source ?
It is true because that great journalist Piers Morgan said it
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By gmdf
#22186
notgoingoutreprise wrote:
Vetchetarian wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:26 pm
hujon64 wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:12 pm
It's very easy to judge based on initial facts. However, if, as it seems, he was sticking up for gays being victimised and threatened by a larger group (with bottles), then I admire his pluckiness in intervening, without thought for his own personal safety or standing in an international team.

However, I do find it 'odd' that a few days before another important match, half the team were at a 'downmarket' Club and the incident occurred at approx 2.30 pm. Unfortunately, well-known names become targets and it's very unwise to put yourself in a vulnerable position.

Under normal circumstances, this would be one of a large number of such incidents happening all over the country with no action taken by police and no reporting.

With the benefit of more information I now say, YES, he should go. It's all too easy to pass by on the other side, he didn't!
" he was sticking up for gays being victimised and threatened by a larger group "

First I've heard of this. Source ?
It is true because that great journalist Piers Morgan said it
First saw this on a Graham Swann Tweet yesterday.
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By Bucksman
#22189
Latest reports suggest that "sources close the England cricket team claimed trouble flared up..." in relation to a homophobic context.
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By Alex
#22291
I've heard a different story about the situation which is certainly a more interesting one however this forum is probably not the place to air it.

Also Stokes went out after Day 1 of one of the West Indies tests and was out till the early hours so you'd suspect he might have still been drunk the next day!
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By gmdf
#22292
It does seem - given that Hales, Bairstow, Ball & Plunkett have all been the subject of disciplinary action as well - those running the team (Captain, coaches etc) haven't been doing their job properly, and that a significant % of the squad have shown less professionalism than one would hope for. To say the least.
By Iron Mike
#22299
Alex wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:17 pm
Also Stokes went out after Day 1 of one of the West Indies tests and was out till the early hours so you'd suspect he might have still been drunk the next day!

The Tufnell and Vaughan programme on radio 5 last Mon 2 Oct mentioned it was one day of the Manchester test...with the player being the talk of the media centre. To be fair they did mention players of their time weren't exactly angelic so to speak but raised questions about the now. With the ultra professionalism of today perhaps it does raise questions.

Each to their own but if you were watching your own county somewhere and saw one player out until the early hours partying or whatever...some wouldn't be happy!
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By Vetchetarian
#22302
The Stokes affair reminds me of an occasion involving Donald Bradman and my cricketing hero, Keith Miller.
It happened during an Australia v England Test match in London, back in the day.

Bradman, as Captain, insisted on a midnight curfew for all his players. " In bed by 12 ", was his directive.

In the early hours of the morning, Bradman was awakened by someone knocking on his door.
Upon opening the door he was confronted by Miller, who was decked out in monkey suit plus dickey bow. He looked quizzically at Miller, and asked him what he wanted.
"I've come to tell you that I was in bed by midnight, but now I'm going out. "

And off he went, to some Casino or assignation, leaving Bradman steaming with rage.

Miller took the field later that morning, taking a shed full of wickets for next to no runs.

What a man, what a player, what a hero.

Stokes would be blessed if asked to oil Miller's bat.
By Iron Mike
#22307
Wasn't there a Hampshire captain...CB Fry I think who reputedky had a policy of being back for breakfast! Albeit 100 or so years back.
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By gmdf
#22308
Iron Mike wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:02 pm
Wasn't there a Hampshire captain...CB Fry I think who reputedky had a policy of being back for breakfast! Albeit 100 or so years back.
I think it was actually Colin Ingleby-Mackenzie about 60 years ago in fact!
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